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From: TC teconnelly@mediaone.net
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999
I bought my own toilet and had it installed in the basement. Only I use
it and can leave the seat up or down. I notice my natural tendency was
to leave it up and I felt like a MAN doing it. Alas....freedom! I
thought that would be then end of the discord but I noticed my wife
peeking at that toilet with envy, sometimes.. I know she wants to use
it. We shall see what happens.
Anon quote: "....I read somewhere that this guy got so pissed off at his wife's nagging
him
about the seat being up that he took it off and left it off for two weeks.
THE NAGGING STOPPED
Anthony MacArthur wrote in message (367A08B3.E9D3903@JPS.NET) "... I have no problem with seat down. After I am done I clean the seat if there is splash. Why then does my SPOUSE feel she needs to take it to another level and complain that I leave the lid up and she wants the lid down. Go figure."
FEMALE PERSPECTIVE
In article by Max Burke
(6QOSDJ$915$1@NEWSOURCE.IHUG.CO.NZ),
Megan wrote in message ...
Women always need the seat down. Men sometimes need the seat down,
sometimes up. Therefore, the greater number of times a need is taken
care of is done by leaving the seat down. It's also true that it looks
nicer, and it really isn't such a big deal to put it down.
[snip]
The primary issue here is to whom we have been socialized to assign blame
for things that go wrong. If a woman gets up in the middle of the night and
plunges her rear into the toilet bowl water because she failed to check to
make sure the lid was down, then she blames a man. If a man were to do the
same thing, he'd laugh at himself for being so dumb.
Men are socialized to be the responsible members of society. Women are socialized to shift blame, and that is a privilege that women will never give up.
Fred
(Posted via Deja News)
It doesn't sit right with feminism
In our thoroughly modern society no subject is safe from sexual politics...not even that most sacred of activities, ablution. (Also known as Number 1s and Number 2s). On this page you can find out some of the issues feminism has raised/lowered in regard to the toilet seat. It's a subject that every thinking person should understand. This is no piss-take!
It is easy to forget that the toilet has not been around for such a long time. We know that in most parts of the world people still squat in ditches to clear their bowels and bladders. But in the Western world plumbing has been an accepted part of life for decades. In Australia we had the outside toilet for much of the 20th century, until this activity was brought into the home. But the fact remains that it was a sit-down toilet, even if this was just a can with a hole in it and a spider lurking under the rim.
With the advent of feminist agitation in the 1960s the subject of toiletry etiquette saw increasing controversy. Women were encouraged to identify oppression and unfair treatment in every corner, every crevice and every toilet of their lives. Nowhere is safe from the ravages of male ignorance, incivility and the blighty penis. Feminists have therefore necessarily contemplated their condition and discovered that even men's urinating really pisses them off.
The basis of the issue is that men allegedly leave the rim of the toilet seat up in order to shoot a stream of urine into the bowl, while women invariably sit to defecate or urinate (though some men I know insist women do neither of these things!).
In a relentless quest to expose ideological error and foul play in feminist theory this page analyses the subject and comes up with a golden shower of startling new information, insights and dilemmas.
Let's start with that old bug bear of male logic. What most men haven't figured out is why do women want the lid down all the time. This seems in fact unegalitarian. If everybody just leaves the lid the way they like it then everybody is inconvenienced equally. Aaahhh, that poor male rationality.
Modern women don't see it that way. They like men to do what they are told. It is an exercise in domination, to test whether the individual man will obey instructions or whether he will resist. In a sense she wants to usurp his throne by emasculating his toiletry habits...turning his gendered biological need into a social unacceptable activity. The evidence for this is increased by the various other aspects of feminist ideology.
We know already that Freud identified penis envy among some women. Feminism is of course penis envy writ large. In this respect many women are attempting to usurp realms of male "privilege" and power". So the obvious question some readers will be asking is "why don't feminists piss standing up." Indeed, any man confronted by this prickly subject should in future use this as his response. If women want true equality with men and enter the realm of macho power then aiming for the bowl will be the new goal. Pissing like a girl is for sissies.
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